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Texas Jane Doe Identified after 38 Years (Full Episode) | Naming the Dead | National Geographic
Texas Jane Doe Identified after 38 Years (Full Episode) | Naming the Dead | National Geographic
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DAVID: Hey, Mr.
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Atchison, I need to pick up my body.
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Appreciate you.
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MR ATCHISON: Yes, sir.
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DAVID: Thank you.
0:18
This box contains the remains of our victim that we have yet to identify.
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Her entire body is in this little bitty box.
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We call her "Tyler Jane Doe".
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She's been in there for 38 years.
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October 1st, 1985, we had a mowing crew up on Interstate 20,
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and they saw the skull.
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So myself and two other detectives went up there,
0:57
and we saw something sticking out of the ground,
1:00
and as you pulled on it, then you pulled up the shorts.
1:06
And then under the shorts was the shirt.
1:09
That says Top Rail Country Music, Dallas, Texas.
1:14
We searched the area,
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that's when we came up with her watch and butterfly earring.
1:22
She was placed out there nude.
1:24
All her clothes was in a pile right beside her.
1:29
It was very evident that she was murdered.
1:33
There's not a day goes by that I don't think about this case.
1:38
It's been 38 years that I've been trying to identify this young girl.
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Somewhere there is a family that's missing their daughter their loved one.
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So I want to identify her.
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It's time to put her to rest.
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Tyler's a great little town, I grew up here,
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I've watched it grow from brick streets to paved highways.
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I've seen single lane roads now go to double highways.
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Every time that I go to Dallas,
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I drive within a couple of hundred yards of the location we found her
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in.
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That's a constant reminder that we haven't identified her.
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NARRATOR: Tyler Jane Doe's body was found in 1985 by the side of the
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I-20,
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70 miles southeast of Dallas, just outside Tyler.
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David Turner was one of the first homicide detectives on the scene.
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DAVID: We actually parked up there, where those trucks are coming down.
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We walked up and we saw the body laying there and the skull,
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80 foot off the interstate.
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We walked this whole area just thinking that,
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well maybe she did have a purse
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or she did have a wallet
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or something,
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and after they killed her maybe they, you know, threw the,
3:36
threw the wallet on further out here in this woods.
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But there was nothing.
3:46
I pulled up the autopsy.
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They believed that she was a female, 20 to 25 years of age,
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height is 63, 65 inches, so five foot four, I believe.
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They estimated that she'd been there anywhere from a year to may,
4:02
possibly up to a year and a half.
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When this first started, we really thought, ahh it won't be that hard.
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We'll find a missing person's report thinking
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that we might identify her
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and we never have.
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NARRATOR: After nearly 40 years on the case, David's retirement is fast approaching.
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DAVID: Time's running out for me.
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Before I retire, before I die, I want to identify this girl.
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I'm organizing a email to the DNA Doe project.
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NARRATOR: The DNA Doe Project is a groundbreaking organization
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that brings together some of the best genetic detectives in the world.
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To help crack cold cases.
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RHONDA: Oh.
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These are tough to look at.
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I can't imagine what this young woman must have gone through.
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She didn't deserve this.
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The mission of the DNA Doe project is to return unidentified human remains back
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to their families.
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So they're not sitting in a box on a shelf somewhere,
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they are getting a proper burial.
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NARRATOR: The project's volunteers upload each Doe's DNA to public databases to try to
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find genetic relatives,
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who they hope can lead them to the identity of the body.
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And now, they're focusing on Tyler Jane Doe.
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RHONDA: We've asked David to send samples of Tyler Jane Doe's remains to the
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lab so they can extract DNA.
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DR KINCAID: David sent hair, a foot bone,
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as well as a bone from the spine, a vertebra.
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But it turns out only 20% of the DNA was human,
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so that wasn't going to work for us.
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NARRATOR: Because the samples were exposed to the elements for over a year,
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the DNA is either too contaminated or too damaged.
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DR KINCAID: Even by our standards Tyler Jane Doe is a really difficult case.
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We need more DNA.
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NARRATOR: There is one last technique the lab can try,
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described as 'a brute force approach.'
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DR KINCAID: We have to cobble together the DNA we got from the foot
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bone and the DNA
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that we got from the hair.
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NARRATOR: It's time-consuming and there's no guarantee it'll work but without enough DNA,
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the case is unlikely to ever be solved.
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DR KINCAID: If we combine these attempts,
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maybe we can just get enough DNA to make a profile.
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So let's go for it.
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DAVID: Even though the DNA DOE Project has the case now,
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we still have a homicide we need to solve.
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This was a reconstruction one of the doctors did 38 years ago.
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Back then they come out looking like cave people you know.
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NARRATOR: One of the DNA Doe project volunteers has updated the facial reconstruction,
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mapping the shape of the skull with photos of real people.
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DAVID: This reconstruction picture's a whole lot better it's more lifelike, and, uh,
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someone may recognize her.
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NARRATOR: David plans to revisit old leads with the new facial reconstruction.
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First up, the country music bar
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that was named on the t-shirt found with the doe.
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DAVID: The Top Rail has always been the best lead
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and I'm headed to meet a lady
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that worked at the Top Rail during the time period I believe
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that my victim disappeared.
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She might recognize her.
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Hello Debra.
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Back in 1985, I found the skeletal remains of a young girl.
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She had a T-shirt on it said Top Rail Country Music, Dallas, Texas.
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DEBRA: Right.
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DAVID: So this is a facial reconstruction of her.
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DEBRA: Mm-Hmm.
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DAVID: That we had done.
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DEBRA: Oh my.
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She does not look familiar at all to me.
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But I do recognize the shirt.
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DAVID: Tell me about the Top Rail.
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What was it like?
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DEBRA: It was pretty rough.
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Real rough back then.
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Lots of fights, shootings, and it was crowded.
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Oh man it was, it was packed.
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It was a crazy place, it really was.
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DAVID: I bet you it was.
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DEBRA: Yeah it was.
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ARCHIVE: Yeee ha!
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NARRATOR: For a young woman like Tyler Jane Doe,
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the early 80s would have been a heady time to be in Dallas.
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As the city rode high on an oil boom, a wild party scene emerged.
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Exciting and seductive, it could also be dangerous.
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DEBRA: You kind of felt safe,
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but if you went very far from the Top Rail, you didn't feel safe.
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NARRATOR: The Top Rail was close to one of Dallas's roughest neighborhoods,
9:53
the Harry Hines Boulevard.
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An area notorious for sex workers, drug dealers and violence.
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POLICEMAN: I was hoping we'd be able to get through at least this calendar
10:06
year without another tragic situation.
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But again, you know, there's a lot of murderers out there.
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NARRATOR: Harry Hines is just a few interchanges away from the I-20.
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The highway where Tyler Jane Doe's body was dumped.
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DEBRA: I just can't even imagine if it were my daughter or, you know.
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DAVID: Yeah.
10:33
Right.
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You're exactly right.
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Yeah.
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DEBRA: Ugh, it's awful.
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DAVID: I was kind of hoping that she'd look at her and say, oh,
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I know that girl.
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Yeah, she used to come in here all the time.
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But she didn't.
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At the time that we found this girl I had a five-year-old daughter now
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she's 43.
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This poor little girl never made that.
11:15
They finally got it!
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NARRATOR: The 'brute force' approach worked.
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The lab has successfully extracted Tyler Jane Doe's DNA.
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Now we can try and start to figure out who she is.
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NARRATOR: The next stage of the investigation uses online databases to try
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and find genetic relatives of the doe.
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These databases contain the DNA profiles of millions of people.
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And when the team upload the Doe's DNA it is automatically compared to every
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one of them.
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If any share DNA it's called a 'match.'
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Now I can start the upload.
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Here we go!
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NARRATOR: A match could share as much as 50% of their DNA,
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which would make them a parent, sibling or child of the doe.
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RHONDA: Most matches share 2 percent or less,
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which can make it take years to solve.
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I'm a little nervous.
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This is a crucial point in the investigation.
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Very soon we're gonna find out what we're dealing with.
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All right, let's see what we have.
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So our closest match shares 10 percent DNA with our doe.
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It could be a first cousin.
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This is better than I hoped for.
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Normally we all work from home but since David is retiring soon,
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we're gonna meet up with the team that's going to work on this case
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and I'm really excited.
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Hi.
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NARRATOR: Rhonda's bringing together 17 of the DNA Doe Project's most experienced volunteers to
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try to discover the identity of Tyler Jane Doe in the next 48 hours.
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RHONDA: We want to do
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as much as we can in the weekend
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but still get everyone back to their day jobs.
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It gets very exciting when we get close.
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WOMAN: So I quit.
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RHONDA: Nobody can sleep.
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We just keep going until we find it.
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We are looking for a female, born 1959 to 1967.
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She was about five four, a hundred twenty seven pounds.
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We know from her DNA that her ethnicity is mostly Hispanic.
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Now let's talk about the match list.
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So our match sharing the most amount of DNA with Jane is most likely
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first cousins.
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DDP VOLUNTEER: Oh.
14:19
Fantastic.
14:19
Oh my god.
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RHONDA: So let's work this top match together.
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Rebecca would you start building her tree?
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REBECCA: Okay.
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NARRATOR: If the Top Match is the first cousin of Tyler Jane Doe they
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should share grandparents.
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So the team must search birth,
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death and census records to build a family tree back two generations from the
14:46
match to their grandparents
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and then down,
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to figure out which route leads to Tyler Jane Doe.
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They start by looking for the top match's parents.
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JEANNA: Is this her mother?
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DDP VOLUNTEER: Yeah.
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REBECCA: She was born October 1936 according to the public record.
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Okay and there is an obituary under Rudolfo, born Fort Worth.
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This is it so we have her grandparents Rudolfo and his wife Juanita.
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RHONDA: Oh nice.
15:20
Okay.
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NARRATOR: The top match's paternal grandparents appear to have Hispanic heritage like Tyler Jane
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Doe.
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RHONDA: How many children did they have?
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REBECCA: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
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RHONDA: One is the father of the top match,
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so we're looking for a child of one of these five people.
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It's super exciting because that is so close.
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NARRATOR: As the team work to identify the victim,
15:56
David is concentrating on finding the killer.
16:03
There is another unsolved murder case that still haunts him.
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DAVID: These are the crime scene pictures of Belinda.
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NARRATOR: And he suspects they're linked.
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DAVID: Belinda was found in January of 1985,
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2 miles from where our victim was found in October 1985.
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She had a black, uh, sweater and, uh, blue jeans on.
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So that there is the victim.
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The only difference is that Tyler Jane Doe was placed out there nude.
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Belinda still had all her clothes on.
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Both bodies were found on the side of the road.
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At the intersection right back there is where our victim was found
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and right up here is where Belinda was found.
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Belinda was a sex worker.
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She worked the Smith County area
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and she'd get on the CB
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and talk to the truck drivers.
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You know "You want to have a good time come in"
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and they'd pull into the rest area
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and she'd get in the truck.
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NEWSREADER: Truckers call them commercial company, selling sex in moving motels.
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DAVID: Getting in a truck with someone, you're at their mercy.
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The small lady that both of these victims were,
17:22
they could be overpowered very easily.
17:22
Knowing that Belinda was a sex worker I was kind of thinking
17:22
that Tyler Jane Doe might also be doing the same thing.
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NARRATOR: With so many similarities in the two cases,
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David is concerned they may even have died at the hands of the same
17:22
killer.
17:22
DAVID: There's been many serial killer truck drivers
17:22
that have killed girls across the US.
17:22
If we could solve the Tyler Jane Doe case,
17:22
it might lead to a serial killer
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that was traveling up
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and down the interstate.
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RHONDA: Five sisters, okay.
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CHELSEA: They're all here except for one brother.
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One.
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NARRATOR: The team has spent nearly 3 hours trawling through public records for any
17:22
information about five of the children of Rudolfo
17:22
and Juanita to see
17:22
if any of them could be the doe's parent.
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MARGARET: It's like pulling a thread on a sweater.
17:22
To unravel the whole sweater we need to have
17:22
that little start of a thread.
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NARRATOR: They're trying to eliminate them, and their children, one by one.
17:22
Some have no daughters.
17:22
Others have no children the right age.
17:22
But that leaves two,
17:22
who each have a daughter that could be Tyler Jane Doe.
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RHONDA: What did you find?
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EMILY: They had a granddaughter named Sindy.
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DAPHNE: What's her name?
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REBECCA: Sindy with an S.
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S-I-N-D-Y.
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RHONDA: Okay.
17:22
Okay, and her date of birth is 1957.
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So she's very close to the range.
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RACHEL: One of the things
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that really caused us to take notice was the multiple marriages year after year
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after year,
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which indicates great instability.
17:22
Sindy got married very young.
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She gets married several times
17:22
and then she has a last marriage to this gentleman Crow.
17:22
January 26th, 1984.
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RHONDA: Okay so let's do proof of life and see what we can find.
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NARRATOR: Sindy married 5 times by the age of 27
17:22
and her last marriage was in 1984,
17:22
the year that Tyler Jane Doe is believed to have been murdered.
17:22
Any evidence that Sindy was alive after that would rule her out.
17:22
REBECCA: So far we cannot find proof of life past 1984.
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KEVIN: I'm gonna search in one of my PI Databases
17:22
and see if I can find anything more.
17:22
NARRATOR: Kevin is the only member of the team to hold a Private Investigator's
17:22
license.
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KEVIN: So I found an arrest record.
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RHONDA: Oh, from when?
17:22
KEVIN: For, for Sindy in 1981.
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We can see that Sindy was arrested for larceny, theft by check.
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RHONDA: Okay.
17:22
KEVIN: It's $200 to $10,000 check.
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But one thing that's interesting is it shows she was five four,
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a hundred ten pounds, hazel eyes, black hair, born in Texas,
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and she had a safe deposit box
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that apparently she didn't pay for
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and so the contents of the safe deposit box are her unclaimed property.
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RHONDA: She had abandoned property in the amount of $131.
17:25
So it seems like somebody
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that was desperate enough to steal money would not leave money behind.
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KEVIN: Yeah, probably not.
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NARRATOR: Unclaimed money is a strong indicator that Sindy was no longer around,
17:25
but whether that's because she was murdered, or left in a hurry,
17:25
is hard to tell.
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KEVIN: I haven't been able to find anything after that.
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Yet!
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RHONDA: Well, the lack of evidence is certainly exciting.
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KEVIN: Yeah.
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REBECCA: Right, that's what I just found.
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MARGARET: This is a picture that Rebecca found of Sindy.
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Wow!
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It's her high school photo, do you know what year?
17:25
REBECCA: She was age 16, so 1972.
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MARGARET: Okay, RHONDA: Oh wow.
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MARGARET: So we're now gonna compare it to the image that we have here.
17:25
There it is.
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Oh, oh, look at that.
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RHONDA: Oh wow.
17:25
REBECCA: Unbelievable.
17:25
Look at that.
17:25
Talk about chills.
17:25
RHONDA: I know I have chills.
17:25
Woo.
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Wow.
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DAVID: It's David.
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RHONDA: Hi David, this is Rhonda from the DNA Doe Project.
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I have some news.
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We've been doing some research, and we have a familial line of interest.
17:25
So I was wondering
17:25
if you'd be able to come down
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so we can show you a few things.
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DAVID: That's exciting.
17:29
I'm just so glad this is moving forward as quickly as it's moving.
17:29
Thank you very much.
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NARRATOR: Rhonda is confident they've identified the doe,
17:29
so she's asked David to join them for an official hand-over.
17:29
RHONDA: We want names and current info.
17:29
Current address, current phone number for her parents.
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Any other evidence that we need to present?
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BRYAN: So, we have this husband, Larry.
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We were taking a look and found an interesting series of articles,
17:29
and I think this husband of hers was a convicted murderer.
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Haa!
17:29
Oh!
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DAPHNE: Killing five people in 19, BRYAN: 82.
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82.
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DAPHNE: 82.
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RHONDA: Oh.
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BRYAN: Including a 11-year-old child.
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DAPHNE: It was a very brutal murder.
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BRYAN: And he was executed in 2000.
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NEWSREADER: Texas seems determined to get even with Larry Robison even
17:29
though he's clearly insane.
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He has been sentenced to death for murdering his lover and 4 neighbors,
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two of them children.
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LARRY: I remember making the decision
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that I had to kill everybody in the whole world.
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I had this notion that if I killed everybody that,
17:29
that no one would die, not really.
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RHONDA: Which husband was this?
17:29
DAPHNE: The second.
17:29
RHONDA: Two?
17:29
BRYAN: This was the second husband.
17:29
RHONDA: Okay.
17:29
NARRATOR: Sindy married Robison in 1977, but divorced him in 1979,
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3 years before he was arrested for these murders in 1982.
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BRYAN: With our last record for our candidate being in 84,
17:29
I'd imagine that there wouldn't be any culpability.
17:29
VOLUNTEER: A very crazy coincidence.
17:29
RHONDA: There's a possibility that he may have been let out for a time,
17:29
but we're not certain when,
17:29
so we need to have David Turner look into this.
17:29
So not only are we going to present him with a possible candidate,
17:29
we could be presenting him with a possible suspect.
17:29
DAVID: I don't want to get too excited about this,
17:29
but this is the closest we've been in 38 years to identifying this girl.
17:29
How are y'all?
17:29
RHONDA: Hi, there, so good to meet you.
17:29
DAVID: Nice to meet.
17:29
We, we hug.
17:29
RHONDA: Can I give you a hug?
17:29
DAVID: We hug in Texas.
17:29
RHONDA: Have a seat please.
17:29
DAVID: Thank you ma'am.
17:29
RHONDA: Alright, I have some documents that I wanna share with you.
17:29
This female right here was of great interest to us.
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Sindy Gina born in 1957.
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So that's right about the range that we were looking for.
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She has a criminal record, charges of larceny.
17:29
But what I really want you to look at here is look at her
17:31
estimated height.
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DAVID: Yeah.
17:31
Five four.
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RHONDA: Five four.
17:31
And that's exactly the height estimated for our doe.
17:33
Her weight was 110 pounds.
17:33
Very close.
17:33
DAVID: Very close, yes.
17:33
RHONDA: Very close.
17:33
DAVID: And she's from Fort Worth.
17:33
RHONDA: Yes.
17:33
Now, I'd like to talk about the spouses of Sindy.
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Sindy was married five times.
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DAVID: Phew!
17:33
RHONDA: Husband number two is of particular interest.
17:33
He was put to death by lethal injection in the year 2000,
17:33
but they were trying to overturn that due to an insanity plea.
17:35
So he may have been released at some point.
17:35
DAVID: If they file an insanity plea, they don't get released.
17:35
RHONDA: Okay.
17:35
So that would rule him out then?
17:35
DAVID: Yes.
17:35
RHONDA: We found no activity for Sindy beyond the marriage to husband number five
17:35
in 1984 that's where everything stops.
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Would you like to see a picture?
17:35
DAVID: Yes.
17:35
Wow.
17:35
Pretty close, isn't it?
17:35
RHONDA: We thought so too.
17:35
DAVID: To actually put a, a, a, a beautiful face with,
17:35
with what only thing I've ever had to look at, you know, through,
17:35
for the last 38 years is really amazing.
17:35
Yeah I've thought of a, of a hundred things on the way down here,
17:35
what y'all were gonna tell me.
17:37
But this is good, this is great.
17:37
And just, you just don't know how much I appreciate y'all.
17:37
And I'm going to get the poor little girl out of our evidence room
17:37
you know.
17:37
RHONDA: Oh that's.
17:37
DAVID: You know and, and I don't know if, if, uh,
17:37
if y'all have been told, but, uh,
17:37
I was planning on giving her a burial.
17:37
So I have, uh, or my family, we have five plots at the cemetery.
17:37
So I was gonna donate one of those plots.
17:37
She deserves to have a decent funeral.
17:37
When, when I found out
17:37
that we were as close
17:37
as we were on this,
17:37
I said, let's hold off.
17:37
I didn't want to bury her and then like we found her family,
17:37
and then her family wants her back up there you know.
17:37
Hello everyone.
17:37
ALL: Hi.
17:37
DAVID: I'm so glad to meet y'all.
17:37
And thank you all for all y'all's hard work, appreciate you all.
17:37
DDP VOLUNTEER: And yours.
17:37
Yeah.
17:37
DAVID: 38 years I've been working on this.
17:37
Trust me, it was worth the, the drive down here to to,
17:37
to get this information and to meet y'all.
17:37
Again, I appreciate every one of y'all.
17:37
DDP VOLUNTEER: Thank you very much.
17:37
DAVID: I need to give y'all an applause.
17:37
I'm excited to, uh,
17:37
make this first phone call to see we can give our unidentified girl a
17:37
name.
17:37
I'm gonna call the mother.
17:37
TELEPHONE VOICE: Your call has been forwarded to an automated voice messaging system.
17:37
DAVID: My name's David Turner, I'm a detective with the Sheriff's Department in Tyler.
17:37
Uh, if you could call me back,
17:37
I will probably be here for about an hour.
17:37
Thank you.
17:37
(Phone ringing) That's the mother.
17:37
Miss.
17:37
MOTHER: Hello.
17:37
DAVID: My name's David Turner, I'm a detective with the Sheriff's Office in Tyler.
17:37
I always hate to talk to people over the phone about things like this
17:37
but I'm trying to locate someone
17:37
that might be a relative to a Sindy,
17:37
is there a possibility you know who that is?
17:37
MOTHER: Well, I'm her mother.
17:37
DAVID: Okay.
17:37
Do you know where she's at, or have you talked to her lately?
17:37
MOTHER: I haven't spoken to her in close to 30 years.
17:37
DAVID: We have a,
17:37
a young girl that we found quite a number of years ago,
17:37
that we've been trying to identify.
17:37
Would it be all right
17:37
if I traveled up to Fort Worth tomorrow
17:37
and meet with you
17:37
and sit down and show you everything I have
17:37
and,
17:37
this might possibility be your daughter?
17:37
MOTHER: Oh!
17:37
Oh that would be fine, that would be fine.
17:37
DAVID: Okay.
17:37
Yes ma'am.
17:37
MOTHER: Thank you so much, I'll see you tomorrow.
17:37
DAVID: Okay.
17:37
Bye bye.
17:37
MOTHER: Bye.
17:37
DAVID: This pretty well looks like, the DDP was right on the button.
17:37
According to her, hadn't spoke to her daughter in, in uh many, many years,
17:37
so pretty sure this is gonna be her daughter.
17:37
MICHELLE: My cousin was Gina's last husband, and his name was Phillip Crow.
17:37
They came to my house from the airport, from flying in from Texas.
17:37
They were going to start building a brand new family and a new path,
17:37
a new adventure in Alabama.
17:37
I was about 16 at the time.
17:37
Gina was one of the very first people
17:41
that I'd ever seen from somewhere other than Alabama.
17:42
She just looked so different, like she stepped right out of a magazine.
17:42
She came across as very friendly and had a wonderful laugh.
17:42
She was so young and she'd just had a baby.
17:44
Margo was about 6 weeks old maybe two months.
17:44
When Gina went back out to Texas to pack their house
17:44
and it seemed like this vibrant,
17:44
beautiful life, walked into the airport,
17:44
and then she was just swallowed up by the world,
17:44
never to be seen again.
17:44
I believe that when she got on the airplane to go out to Texas,
17:44
she had every intention of coming back here.
17:44
MARGO: I never seen my mama.
17:44
Never knew what she looked like.
17:44
Sometimes I would have fantasies that she would come back.
17:44
I thought well if she ain't come looking for me this long maybe she
17:44
really don't want me.
17:44
NARRATOR: David and Rhonda are on their way to meet Margo
17:44
and Michelle to find out more about Gina's disappearance.
17:44
DAVID: I'm gonna try to recover any other evidence that we may not know.
17:44
Michelle remembers when Margo and, and Gina and Philip arrived there.
17:44
RHONDA: So she could have been one of the last people to see Gina?
17:44
DAVID: Hello.
17:44
MARGO: Come in.
17:44
DAVID: I'm David Turner.
17:44
Nice to meet you.
17:44
Sit down.
17:44
MICHELLE: Hi.
17:44
DAVID: The last thing
17:44
that we know about Gina is she was visiting y'all
17:44
and y'all took her to the airport to fly home.
17:44
MICHELLE: Uh huh and Gina flew back to Dallas to pack up the house
17:44
and then Phillip was to drive out there
17:44
and bring everything back.
17:44
DAVID: Did she say,
17:44
about how long you think it would be before she'd get the house packed
17:44
up to come back to Alabama?
17:44
MICHELLE: About a week or two.
17:44
DAVID: So Phillip did leave though and.
17:44
MICHELLE: To go out there yes.
17:44
Yes.
17:44
DAVID: And then he shows back up a week later.
17:44
MICHELLE: With everything but without her.
17:44
Yeah.
17:44
DAVID: And how'd that conversation go?
17:44
MICHELLE: Well, I mean it just, she went missing.
17:44
She wasn't at the house.
17:44
DAVID: What did Phil ever tell you about your mother?
17:44
MARGO: He wouldn't really tell me much.
17:44
He would just tell me that she abandoned me.
17:44
MICHELLE: He would not talk about her mother at all.
17:44
I think a lot of people in the family really wanted to ask him,
17:44
but everyone was afraid to do so.
17:44
He was known for having a temper,
17:44
drinking and nobody wanted to set him off.
17:44
MARGO: I was brought up by my dad,
17:44
Phillip Crow when he remarried to my stepmomma.
17:44
He stayed drunk all the time.
17:44
He really didn't really pay me no attention.
17:44
I just did stuff on my own.
17:44
When I asked about my mother Gina,
17:44
he would just tell me that she abandoned me.
17:44
I think he really wasn't telling me the truth 'cause he really didn't want
17:44
me to know.
17:44
DAVID: Nobody reported her missing.
17:44
You know, if I came to pick my wife up and she wasn't there,
17:44
I'd, first thing I'd do is call the police.
17:44
MICHELLE: That's what I would do.
17:44
MARGO: Now that I'm talking to David I think she was murdered,
17:44
it might have been my daddy.
17:46
MICHELLE: You think your cousin wouldn't do
17:46
that but it is one of the options.
17:47
Philip passed away a few years ago.
17:47
Margo found him laying on the floor in his house.
17:47
He had a heart attack, I believe.
17:47
I really wish that Philip had been alive so that he could be questioned.
17:52
Because she didn't deserve to die the way she did.
17:53
Taking someone that small and dainty and beautiful,
17:53
far off the side of the road and just leaving them there,
17:53
like she meant nothing.
17:53
MARGO: It still hurts
17:53
but at least now I know
17:53
that she didn't just abandon me.
17:53
RHONDA: No.
17:53
MICHELLE: No.
17:53
Absolutely not.
17:54
DAVID: No.
17:55
MARGO: I love my children.
17:55
I tell 'em all the time, I never had my mama,
17:55
and I want y'all to know that I'm trying and I'm here for y'all.
17:55
RHONDA: I'm so sorry you missed out on that Margo.
17:55
MICHELLE: I'm sorry.
17:55
MARGO: It's okay.
17:55
I'll be okay.
17:55
DAVID: Well, I got something for you.
17:55
The only thing we found besides her clothes was her watch
17:55
and a butterfly earring.
17:55
So we want you to have that.
17:55
MARGO: I appreciate it.
17:55
DAVID: Yes ma'am.
17:55
MARGO: Thank you.
17:55
And I appreciate y'all for not giving up.
17:55
DAVID: Well, thank you.
17:55
My theory all along was she got into a big truck
17:55
and the truck driver killed her.
17:55
Everything changed in Alabama.
17:55
Now I'm thinking, the husband did it.
17:55
But if Philip did kill her,
17:55
I don't think we would've ever obtained enough of evidence,
17:55
unless he actually told us 'I did it'.
17:55
Somebody got away with murder.
17:55
But at least her family know what happened to her.
17:55
MICHELLE: If David had not spent all of his career looking for answers for
17:55
his Jane Doe,
17:55
Margo would have never have Gina back.
17:55
That is her closure.
17:55
You know 40 years that's a heavy weight for her to carry,
17:55
she doesn't have to carry it anymore.
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