0:00 So, good afternoon everybody.
0:01 It's great to see everybody here.
0:03 It's been an amazing week here in Davos.
0:06 Hopefully everybody saw that we are having conversations here.
0:12 Hopefully everybody agrees.
0:14 There are some conversations that we may disagree.
0:17 There's many conversations we may have agreed,
0:20 but through those conversations
0:22 and I think today's result with a peace agreement earlier today the World Economic
0:27 Forum is here to have those conversations,
0:29 to have understandings, and also resolution.
0:33 So, um it's an important component of who we and what we are,
0:39 and I'm thrilled to have Elon Musk here.
0:43 Um He came all the way from California to be here to see all
0:47 of you.
0:48 So, thank you, Elon.
0:49 You're most welcome.
0:55 Um I heard about I heard about the formation of the the peace summit,
0:59 and I was like, is that is that p i e c?
1:03 Uh >> >> You know, a little piece of Greenland, a little piece of Venezuela.
1:12 We got one.
1:13 All we want is peace.
1:15 Okay, I want to as I said,
1:17 I'm a pretty proud CEO of BlackRock since we went public.
1:21 Um the compounding return of BlackRock to our shareholders was 21%.
1:26 Uh since Elon took Tesla public, his compounded return is 43%.
1:37 This is I just another advertisement for everybody, especially for Europeans.
1:41 This is why more citizens should be investing with growth, investing with your countries.
1:49 Imagine if a lot of pension funds invested with Elon when Tesla went public,
1:55 and how much return with the all of pension funds
2:01 that invested side by side with Elon
2:03 and the growth.
2:04 So, a spectacular return.
2:06 There's very few companies Well,
2:09 I don't think there's any other company
2:11 as large as Tesla today
2:12 that has that compounded return.
2:14 So, congratulations.
2:15 >> Oh, thank you. >> measurement.
2:17 Well, we have an incredible team at Tesla, and that's the reason.
2:20 So, I want to get into the dirt, the meaningful component about technology,
2:26 the possibilities.
2:28 Um I want to talk about AI and robotics, energy, space,
2:33 and the progress ultimately coming down to engineering, engineering discipline, scale, execution.
2:39 Um and few few people, if that,
2:42 anyone has the experience and the fortitude to confront these issues head-on.
2:48 Not just the ideas, but the execution across so many different technologies, Elon,
2:54 and that's why I thought I thought it was important for us to have
2:56 this dialogue here in Davos.
2:59 So, you're presently building on AI, on robotics, on space, on energy,
3:06 all at the same time.
3:08 When you look across those efforts,
3:11 what do they have in common from an engineering standpoint?
3:15 Uh well, they're all very difficult technology challenges,
3:18 um but the uh the overall goal of my companies is to maximize the
3:25 future of civilization,
3:27 like basically maximize the probability that civilization has a great future.
3:33 Um and uh to expand consciousness beyond Earth.
3:37 So, if you take SpaceX for example,
3:39 that SpaceX is about advancing rocket technology to the point where we can extend
3:45 life and consciousness beyond Earth,
3:47 uh to the moon, to Mars, eventually to other star systems.
3:52 And uh I know I think we should always view consciousness uh life
3:57 as we know it
3:58 as as precarious and delicate.
4:01 Um because to the best of our knowledge,
4:04 we we we don't know if life anywhere else.
4:07 You know, I'm often asked um are there aliens among us?
4:12 And I'll say that I am one, but Or you're from the future.
4:16 They don't believe me.
4:17 Okay.
4:19 >> Um so but I I I >> >> I think
4:23 if anyone would know
4:23 if there were aliens among us,
4:24 it would be me.
4:27 Um and uh we we have 9,000 satellites up there,
4:31 and not once have we had to maneuver around an an alien spaceship.
4:36 So, I'm like, I don't know.
4:37 It's Bottom line is I think we need to assume
4:41 that life and consciousness is extremely rare,
4:44 and it might only be us.
4:46 And if that's the case,
4:48 then we need to do everything possible to to ensure
4:52 that the the light of can the light the light of consciousness is not
4:57 extinguished,
4:58 because we're effectively we're the way I view it is the image in my
5:02 mind is of a a tiny candle in a vast darkness,
5:07 a tiny candle of consciousness that could easily go out.
5:11 Um and that's why it's important to make life multi-planetary,
5:15 uh such that if there is a natural disaster
5:17 or a man-made disaster on Earth,
5:19 that consciousness continues.
5:21 That's the purpose of SpaceX.
5:23 Um Uh Tesla is obviously about sustainable technology,
5:28 and uh and and also at this point we've we've sort of added to
5:34 our mission sustainable abundance.
5:37 So, with uh robotics and AI,
5:42 um this this is really the path to abundance for all.
5:46 If you say you know, people often talk about uh solving global poverty,
5:52 or essentially how how do we make give everyone a very high standard of
5:57 living.
5:58 I I think the only way to do this is AI and robotics.
6:03 Um which which doesn't mean that it is uh without its issues.
6:08 I mean, this we need to be very careful with AI.
6:10 We need to be very careful with robotics.
6:13 We don't want to find ourselves in a James Cameron movie, uh you know,
6:19 Terminator.
6:21 Is is it He's great great movies.
6:23 I love his movies, but but we don't want to be in Terminator, obviously.
6:26 Um but but we
6:27 if you have um ubiquitous AI
6:31 that is essentially free
6:32 or close to it,
6:34 and ubiquitous robotics, uh
6:36 then you will have an an ex- an explosion in the in the global
6:42 economy,
6:42 an expansion in the global economy that is truly uh beyond all precedent.
6:47 Elon, can that expansion be broad?
6:50 Yes.
6:51 >> Or is it narrow?
6:52 And how can that be created?
6:54 How can it broaden the global economy?
6:58 Yeah, it's I mean, what >> >> I mean,
7:02 the way to think of it is
7:03 that if you have a large number of humanoid robots,
7:07 um the economic output is the average productivity per robot times the number of
7:14 robots.
7:14 Right.
7:15 Um and and actually my prediction is in the in the benign scenario of
7:21 the future,
7:22 that we will the robots will actually make
7:25 so many robots and AI
7:26 that they will actually saturate all human needs.
7:29 I mean, you won't be able to even think of something to ask the
7:34 robot for at a certain point.
7:36 Like like there there will be such an abundance of goods
7:39 and services because the >> >> my prediction is
7:44 that they'll be they'll be more robots than people.
7:46 So, But how do you then have human purpose in that scenario?
7:51 >> Yeah, I mean, you know, there was nothing's perfect, you know,
7:57 um but but uh I mean, I mean,
7:59 it it it is a a necessary um Like you can't have both.
8:05 You can't have work that has to be done,
8:07 uh um and uh amazing abundance for all.
8:12 Um because if it's if it's work that has to be done,
8:15 then then then you and and only some people can do it,
8:18 then then you you can't have abundance >> Then it's narrow.
8:21 >> It's narrow.
8:21 Exactly.
8:22 So, uh but if you if you have billions of humanoid robots,
8:27 and I think there will be,
8:29 um I think I think everyone on Earth is going to have one,
8:33 and going to want one.
8:34 Um because uh you Who wouldn't want a robot to, you know,
8:40 um assuming it's very safe, uh watch over your kids,
8:43 take care of your pets.
8:45 Uh if you have elderly parents,
8:48 uh but a lot of friends of mine said they have elderly parents,
8:51 and it's it's uh very difficult to take care of them.
8:54 >> Yeah, it's expensive, and it it's expensive,
8:55 and there just aren't enough people to take care of the there aren't enough
8:59 young people to take care of the old people.
9:00 Right.
9:01 Um so, if you
9:03 if they um if
9:05 if you had a robot
9:06 that could take care of an
9:08 and protect an an elderly parents,
9:10 I think that would be great.
9:11 That would be an amazing thing to have.
9:14 Um and and that I think we will have those things.
9:17 So, I mean, overall I'm I'm very optimistic about the future.
9:20 I think we're headed for a future of amazing abundance,
9:25 uh which is very cool.
9:27 Um and uh and
9:29 and definitely >> >> we are in the most interesting time in history.
9:34 Um I think there's more a more interesting time in history.
9:38 But can we you know, you and I reverse aging in this new history,
9:42 or or or are we going to see it?
9:46 I you know, I haven't I haven't put much time into uh the aging
9:50 stuff.
9:51 I I do think it is a very solvable problem.
9:54 Like like you can do I I
9:57 when we find figure out what causes aging,
10:00 I think we'll find it's incredibly obvious.
10:02 It's not a subtle thing.
10:05 Um The reason I say it's not a subtle thing is
10:06 because all the cells in your body you know,
10:09 with some pretty much age at the same rate.
10:13 I've never seen someone with with an old left arm
10:16 and a young right arm,
10:17 ever in my life.
10:19 Um so, why is that?
10:20 It it it that that means that there must be a clock,
10:23 a synchronizing clock.
10:24 That is synchronizing across 35 trillion cells in your body.
10:30 Um and uh uh you know, the there is some benefit to death,
10:37 by the way.
10:39 There's there's a reason why we don't actually have a longer lifespan uh
10:44 because if you if you have
10:46 if people do live forever for very long time,
10:48 I think there's some risk of an ossification of society,
10:52 of of things just getting kind of locked in place.
10:57 Um and uh Yeah, you know,
11:00 it it it it just may become um stultifying,
11:05 just not uh lack lack vibrancy.
11:09 Um but but that that's said,
11:11 do I think we'll figure out ways to extend life
11:15 and um and maybe even reverse aging,
11:19 I think that's highly likely.
11:22 I'm looking forward to that.
11:25 Yeah.
11:25 So, um the future that you talk about, the AI models, autonomous machines, rockets,
11:32 depends on massive increases in compute, massive increases in energy, expensive energy, manufacturing scale.
11:43 What are the bottlenecks to to get there?
11:45 And that once again, with all that expenditures, again,
11:50 how can we make sure that it's broadened, not narrow?
11:59 Um >> >> I I just think the natural thing is it's going to
12:01 be very broad because uh AI companies will seek
12:05 as many customers as they possibly can.
12:07 And the cost of AI will get is already very low
12:10 and it's is plummeting every year.
12:13 I mean, almost the cost of AI is almost meaningfully changing on a month-to-month
12:18 basis.
12:19 There's open there's open models now everywhere, you know?
12:22 Yes, very there's open models.
12:25 And the open models only lag they may be a year behind the private
12:30 the sort of closed models.
12:34 Um so, so, I I think you the the AI companies will seek
12:38 as as many customers
12:39 as possible,
12:39 which means they'll seek they'll provide AI to the world.
12:42 >> But the cost of getting to there, the compute, the chips, um the fab,
12:49 um the powering, that to me,
12:53 what what are the what are the bottle You know,
12:55 those are huge in >> The limiting factor Yeah,
12:57 I think the limiting factor for um AI deployment is fundamentally electrical power.
13:02 It's just Right.
13:04 It's energy.
13:05 Yeah, yeah.
13:06 Um I mean, we're we're we're seeing the the rate of AI chip production
13:11 increase exponentially,
13:12 but the rate of electricity being brought online is uh negligible. >> 3% 4%
13:17 a year.
13:18 >> Yeah.
13:18 Max.
13:18 Yeah.
13:19 It's clear that we're we're we're we're very soon, maybe even later this year,
13:23 uh we'll be producing more chips than we can turn on.
13:28 Except for China.
13:29 China China's China's growth in electricity is is tremendous.
13:32 They're building 100 gigawatts of nuclear as we speak.
13:36 Uh actually, solar is the biggest thing in in China.
13:39 So, China's I believe China's production capacity on solar is 1,500 gigawatts a year,
13:44 um and they're deploying over uh 1,000 gigawatts a year of of solar.
13:51 Um Now, you know, for continuous solar load,
13:54 you divide that by roughly I don't know, four or five.
13:58 Uh call call it that's around uh 250 gigawatts of steady-state power um paired
14:05 with batteries.
14:08 Um and that that's a very big number.
14:09 That's half of the average power usage in the US.
14:13 So, US US power uh usage on average is is 500 gigawatts.
14:19 Uh China just in solar,
14:20 just like just in in in in solar
14:23 that that can provide steady-state power uh
14:27 and batteries can do half of the US electricity output per year,
14:32 just with solar.
14:33 Solar is by far it the the the biggest source of of of energy.
14:38 Um and actually, when you look beyond or even even even on Earth,
14:42 but certainly beyond Earth,
14:44 uh the the sun rounds up to 100% of all energy.
14:48 This is an important thing to consider.
14:51 Um so, the the sun is 99.8% of the mass of the solar system.
14:58 Jupiter is about 0.1% and everything else is miscellaneous.
15:02 Um now, even if you were to uh burn Jupiter in a in a
15:08 thermonuclear reactor,
15:11 uh the sun the amount of energy produced by the sun would still round
15:14 up to 100% cuz Jupiter is only 0.1%.
15:17 If you teleported teleported three more Jupiters into our solar system,
15:23 the and and burned three more Jupiters and everything else in the solar system,
15:28 the sun's energy would still round up to 100%.
15:34 So, it's really all about the sun.
15:36 Um and that's that's why uh one of the things we'll be doing with
15:41 SpaceX uh within a few years is launching um solar-powered AI satellites.
15:48 Um because the space is really the source of immense power.
15:53 And then you don't need to take up any room on Earth.
15:56 Uh there's so much room in space.
15:58 And you can scale to uh enormous uh I mean,
16:02 you can you can scale to uh I think ultimately hundreds hundreds of terawatts
16:08 a year.
16:12 But we you and I have had these conversations before,
16:14 but why don't you tell the audience,
16:17 what would it take for the United States
16:19 and what type of geography would it take to have
16:22 that solar field to electrify the United States?
16:25 And And then let me ask a question, why aren't we doing it?
16:29 Yeah, so I mean,
16:31 I I guess rough way to think about it is um 100 miles by
16:34 100 miles,
16:35 I'll call it I don't know,
16:36 160 km by 160 km of of solar is enough to power the entire
16:42 United States.
16:45 So, you know, 100 100 mi mi by 100 mi area is is I
16:49 mean,
16:49 you could take basically a small corner of Utah Nevada.
16:54 Nevada, New Mexico.
16:55 >> >> Obviously, wouldn't want it all in one place,
16:56 but I'm you can it's it's it is a very small percentage of the
17:00 area of of the US to generate all of the electricity
17:05 that the US uses.
17:06 Um and the same is true actually, I mean, for for Europe,
17:10 you could take a small you could take uh uh relatively unpopulated areas of
17:16 say Spain and Sicily
17:18 and generate all of the electricity power
17:20 that Europe needs.
17:21 So, why don't you think
17:22 that there's a movement towards
17:23 that here and in the United States?
17:26 Uh well, there there is >> as it is in China.
17:29 Well, unfortunately, in in the US,
17:32 the the the tariff barriers for solar are are extremely high >> >> um
17:38 and that makes the economics of deploying solar uh uh
17:43 so,
17:43 artificially high because China makes almost all the solar.
17:47 Um and uh and the tech
17:49 that What would it take for Europe
17:50 or the US to build it commercially?
17:53 If it's that scale.
17:56 Yeah, I I I think I think uh Well,
17:59 I can tell you what what we're going to do in SpaceX
18:02 and Tesla was is we're we're building up um large-scale solar.
18:07 Right.
18:07 So, the the SpaceX
18:08 and Tesla teams both separately are working to build to 100 gigawatts a year
18:13 of solar power in the US.
18:15 Of manufactured solar power.
18:19 Um and um that'll probably take us I don't know, about 3 years, something.
18:23 But this that's these are pretty big numbers.
18:25 Mhm.
18:26 Um and um you know,
18:29 I'd encourage others to do the same to do the same.
18:31 Um We obviously don't control the you know, your US tariff policy.
18:37 >> Mhm.
18:37 Uh but for for for for other countries, uh I would you know,
18:44 that there's China makes solar cells
18:47 that are incredibly low cost
18:49 and I think uh it would be worth uh doing large-scale solar.
19:00 So, >> >> I know you are you're going to be having a couple
19:03 big announcements on robotics
19:05 and what it can do.
19:07 I mean, when I went to the factory, you showed me those robots.
19:09 Yeah.
19:10 Um How quickly you you talked about the billions of robots,
19:16 but how quickly and how quickly can they be deployed in a manufacturing setting?
19:21 How quickly can they be utilized
19:23 and be functional and be uh create
19:27 that that abundance that you talked about?
19:33 >> >> Well, humanoid robotics will advance very quickly.
19:36 I think uh we we we do have some of the Tesla Optimus robots
19:42 doing simple tasks in the factory.
19:46 Um We expect it probably later this year.
19:49 By the end of this year,
19:50 I think they'll be doing um more more complex tasks.
19:56 Um and and but still be deployed in an industrial environment.
20:00 >> >> And uh and probably sometime next year,
20:02 I'd say that by the by the end of next year,
20:07 I I think uh we'll be selling humanoid robots uh to the public.
20:14 Um but that's when we are confident that the it's very high reliability,
20:17 very high safety um
20:19 and the range of functionality is uh is is also very high.
20:23 You can basically ask it to do anything you'd like.
20:26 >> >> You're already seeing that in Tesla cars.
20:28 This the software changes that you're doing and then what is it?
20:31 Every quarter now a software change
20:33 that upgrades the the ability of the robot within the car?
20:37 Uh yes, uh the Tesla full self-driving software,
20:40 we we update it sometimes once a week.
20:43 Um and um recently some of the insurance companies have said
20:47 that uh it is actually
20:49 so safe uh when
20:51 when Tesla full self-driving
20:53 so safe that uh they're they're offering uh customers half-price insurance
21:00 if they if they use Tesla full self-driving in the car.
21:03 And that could be monitored by the insurance company.
21:05 Can they is that part of the agreement then?
21:11 >> Yeah.
21:11 Um I I think I think uh self-driving car is is essentially a solved
21:17 problem at this point.
21:19 Right.
21:19 Um at at Tes- Tesla's rolled out uh it's a robotaxi service in a
21:25 few cities and Right. will uh I be very very widespread by the end
21:31 of this year within the US.
21:33 And then we we we hope to get supervised full self-driving approval in Europe
21:39 hopefully next month.
21:40 Really that quickly?
21:41 Yeah.
21:41 And then >> >> uh maybe a similar timing timing for China, hopefully.
21:47 I want to move to space cuz historically space has very capital intensive it
21:52 it historically been done by governments.
21:54 Obviously SpaceX changed the whole model.
21:57 Um but we've seen it slow to scale
22:00 and now we're starting to see it ramping up in what you're doing
22:03 and other things.
22:06 Um talk to us about the reason you know the automation
22:09 and AI how it's changing the economics in building uh
22:12 and preparing for us in operating in space.
22:16 Uh sure.
22:17 Um Well, the key breakthrough
22:22 that tells that that's the major breakthrough
22:25 that SpaceX is hoping to achieve this year is full reusability.
22:29 >> >> Um so no one has ever achieved full reusability of a rocket,
22:34 which is very important for the cost of access to space.
22:37 Um we've achieved partial reusability with Falcon 9 by landing the boost stage.
22:41 We've We've now landed the boost stage over 500 times.
22:45 Um but uh we we don't We have to uh throw away the upper
22:49 stage.
22:50 The upper stage just burns up on reentry for Falcon 9.
22:52 So and that that the cost of
22:54 that is equivalent to a small to medium-size jet.
23:00 So um but with with Starship, which is a giant rocket,
23:03 it's the largest flying machine ever made.
23:05 That's the rocket that you're using for the idea of going to Mars, right?
23:08 Yeah, Mars and the moon um
23:10 as well as for uh high-volume satellite stuff.
23:15 So Starship um hopefully this year we should prove full reusability for Starship,
23:21 which will be um a profound in- invention uh
23:27 because uh the cost of access to space will drop by a factor of
23:33 100 when you achieve full reusability.
23:36 Um Right.
23:37 It's It's the same sort of economic difference
23:39 that you would expect
23:40 that between say a reusable aircraft
23:44 and a non-reusable aircraft.
23:45 Like if you have to throw your aircraft away after every flight,
23:49 that would be a very expensive flight.
23:52 Um but if you only have to refuel,
23:54 uh then it's the cost of the fuel.
23:57 And so that's really the uh the the fundamental breakthrough
24:03 that gets the cost of access to space uh we think uh below the
24:09 cost of uh um of freight on aircraft.
24:14 Uh so you know, under under $100 a a pound type of thing easily.
24:20 Um so it it it it makes uh >> >> putting large satellites into
24:27 into space very low very very cheap.
24:30 Um and then when you have solar in space,
24:32 you you get uh five times more effectiveness,
24:36 maybe even more than that than solar on the ground.
24:38 Because it's it's always sunny and cold and It Yeah, it's it's it's Well,
24:44 it's always sunny, so you you don't have a day-night cycle
24:46 or seasonality or weather.
24:48 Um and you get about 30% more power in space uh
24:53 because uh you don't have atmospheric attenuation of the power.
24:56 Right.
24:57 The The net effect is solar is five times more uh the any given
25:03 solar panel will do five times more uh energy in space than on the
25:08 ground.
25:09 Is there any capacity in doing
25:10 that and and then taking
25:12 that power and bringing it back to Earth?
25:13 Is there any way of doing
25:15 that or or you're just taking
25:16 that power and utilizing it for the needs like building um the AI data
25:23 centers in the space.
25:25 I I think I think the the case is it's it's a no-brainer for
25:28 building uh AI solar-powered AI data centers in space um cuz
25:33 as you mentioned,
25:33 it's it's also very cold in space.
25:35 If you're if you're if you're in the shadow,
25:37 uh then it's it's very cold in space.
25:39 It's 3° Kelvin.
25:40 So you just have your solar panels facing the sun
25:43 and then uh a radiator that's like point like pointed away from the sun.
25:50 Um so it has no sun incidence
25:51 and then it's and
25:52 then it's just cooling it's a very efficient cooling system.
25:57 So uh net net effect is
25:58 that the lowest cost place to put AI will be space
26:03 and that and that'll be true within 2 years,
26:07 maybe three three at the latest.
26:08 Wow.
26:10 >> >> So looking 10 or 20 years out,
26:12 um what would How would you describe success with AI or space technology?
26:18 And where do you see it?
26:19 Is that Can you Are you more certain what's going to happen in the
26:22 next 3 years or
26:23 or 5 or 10?
26:27 I don't know what what's going to happen in 10 years,
26:28 but the rate at which AI is progressing,
26:33 I think we >> >> we're we might have AI
26:38 that is smarter than any human by the end of this year um
26:41 and and I would say no later than next year.
26:43 Wow.
26:46 Um and then probably by 2030 or 2031, call it 5 years from now,
26:51 uh AI will be smarter than >> >> uh all of humanity collectively.
26:58 We only have a number of minutes left,
27:00 but I want I want to humanize you for a second.
27:03 So there's no speculation that you're able >> peace.
27:06 >> Right.
27:06 Right.
27:07 I want to >> >> I I mean I would frame this question by
27:11 you are the most successful entrepreneur,
27:12 industrialist in the 21st century, maybe beyond.
27:17 Um I want to So I want to really get this, you know,
27:19 what inspired you?
27:21 Who's inspired you?
27:23 What was the foundation of of your curiosity?
27:26 And and importantly, what was the what was the Was there a aha moment,
27:32 epiphany at any time in your life and career?
27:37 Well, um I mean as a kid,
27:41 I read a lot of science fiction sci-fi fantasy books.
27:44 Yeah, we talked about it.
27:45 >> Um and uh comic books.
27:48 Uh and I always liked technology.
27:50 Uh I didn't expect to be where I am today.
27:52 It seems incredibly implausible.
27:55 Um but uh yeah,
27:57 I was I was I was inspired by reading about books about the future
28:00 about science fiction and uh
28:03 and I guess I want to make science fiction not fiction forever.
28:07 At some point turn science fiction to science fact.
28:11 Um and uh you know,
28:14 we want to have like Starfleet >> >> and Star Star Trek really for for real.
28:19 Like where where we actually have giant spaceships traveling through space going to other
28:24 planets,
28:25 traveling to other star systems,
28:27 going places where no one has ever gone before. >> up to go back
28:29 to New York.
28:31 You know, I I'd like to just be beamed back to New York instead
28:34 of flying.
28:40 Yeah.
28:40 Um You know, talking about Star Trek.
28:41 No, I guess my my essential I what I would call the phil- philosophy
28:45 philosophy of curiosity,
28:46 I'm I'd like to understand um the meaning of life, you know,
28:51 the it is the standard model of Is the standard model of physics correct
28:56 Mhm. regarding the beginning of life,
28:57 beginning of existence, and the end of the universe.
29:00 Um What what questions do we not know to ask that we should ask?
29:04 Um And AI will help us with these things.
29:09 Um So I'm just trying to understand how how do we get here?
29:11 What's going on?
29:12 What's real?
29:13 Are there aliens?
29:14 Maybe there are.
29:15 Um and if if we've got
29:16 if we've got spaceships
29:17 that are traveling to other star systems,
29:20 uh we may find we may encounter aliens
29:22 and or we may find many long-dead alien civilizations.
29:26 But I I I'm just I just I just want to know what's going
29:29 on.
29:30 I'm curious about the the universe and um that's my philosophy.
29:38 Do you see yourself ever going to Mars in your lifetime?
29:42 Uh yeah.
29:43 I mean I would say like I you know,
29:44 I I there That's a long commitment.
29:46 >> I've been asked but Isn't that 3 years each way?
29:49 Uh it's uh 6 months. 6 months?
29:51 That's all it is?
29:52 Yeah, 6 months, but the planets only align every every 2 years.
29:55 Okay.
29:56 So, >> >> uh Yeah, I've been asked a few times like do I
30:01 want to you know,
30:02 die on Mars, and I'm like, "Yes, but just not on impact."
30:11 >> >> That's a good That's a good answer.
30:12 Anyway, uh we're out of time.
30:14 I Hopefully, everybody enjoyed this.
30:16 Um I mean, there's so many myths around Elon Musk.
30:21 I can tell you he's a great friend,
30:23 and I constantly learn so much from him.
30:26 Um and I'm totally inspired by what he's what he has done.
30:33 I've been inspired who he is,
30:36 and I'm totally inspired by his vision of the future.
30:40 And I don't think it's such a bad future,
30:42 and I agree with his optimism.
30:44 So, Elon, thank you.
30:45 Any last words?
30:46 Uh um um Well,
30:50 I think generally I think my last words would be I would encourage everyone
30:54 to be optimistic and excited about the future.
30:57 Good.
30:58 Um and and and generally, I think for quality of life,
31:02 it is actually better to err on the side of being an optimist
31:05 and wrong rather than a pessimist
31:07 and right.
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