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What's Going on with Apple Vision Pro?
What's Going on with Apple Vision Pro?
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10:37 · Oct 21, 2025
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(intriguing music) - This is the Apple Vision Pro,
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and this is the brand new second-generation Apple Vision Pro nearly two years later.
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(tense music) Yeah... (impactful music)
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So you might have heard
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that Apple dropped the latest version of their silicon,
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the base M5 chip this past week,
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and they chose to put it in three devices: the iPad Pro,
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the 14-inch MacBook Pro, and the Vision Pro. (playful music) Okay,
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so this is actually a partial upgrade of Apple Silicon.
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We just got (playful music continues) (box squeaking) a new M5 chip, right?
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So anything that has a base chip-- this is the direction of time,
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and this is the direction of how powerful the chips are-- anything
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that has a base chip is a candidate for getting the M5 upgrade,
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which is why we see this in things like Vision Pro,
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which went from M2 to M5.
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We also see it in the 14-inch MacBook Pro and the iPad Pro,
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which go from M4 and M3 to M5.
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Notably, there is no Pro or Max M5.
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So things like the 16-inch MacBook Pro, which uses those chips,
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doesn't get upgraded yet, stays on M4.
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We'll probably see that eventually,
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kind of like we'll probably also eventually see an M4 Ultra,
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which we don't have yet,
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which is why the Mac Pro
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and Mac Studio are on M3 Ultra
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and M2 Ultra.
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I got those backwards.
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So not respectively.
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Either way, Mac Mini, iMac,
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other things that have the base M chip will probably all eventually get M5.
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And that's about it, I think.
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Yeah, new chip. (pole clanking) Okay, anyway, aside from that new chip,
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the new 2025 Vision Pro is more
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or less the same
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as the original from two years ago.
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Same dimensions, same aluminum frame and glass on the outside,
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same buttons and Digital Crown, same speakers,
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same exact high-resolution micro-OLED displays on the inside with the same field of view,
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same exact battery with the same tethered cable
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that you put in your pocket
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while you're wearing the headset.
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And it has the exact same 12 cameras
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and sensors and LIDAR scanner all around the outside.
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And the same R1 chip inside to combine
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and process all the data from all those sensors,
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same thermal systems, same fans, same vents,
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same outside screen to see your Persona's eyes.
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So yeah, much of this is unchanged.
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Not that you need change for change's sake,
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but when the Vision Pro first came out,
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there were immediately tons of complaints about how heavy it was
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and how uncomfortable this thing was to wear for long periods of time.
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And so I would think that maybe there's some work happening on the internals,
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maybe thinning out a bit of that aluminum frame,
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just saving a few millimeters and a few grams here and there.
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But no, none of that has made it to the new one.
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Matter of fact, the weight of the new one is listed
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as higher than the original
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because it comes by default with this new Dual Knit Band,
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which is where it seems like 100% of their effort went into making the
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Vision Pro more comfortable.
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And so to their credit,
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it is actually a really nice and cleverly engineered band.
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So you probably remember the first-gen band, this Solo Knit Band,
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which was in all the commercials and looks really pretty,
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but the problem is it's pulling up against the back of your head,
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and it's trying to hold all of the weight from the Vision Pro,
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and it's not great at it.
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Basically it ends up sagging onto your nose
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and really being incredibly painful to have on your face for more than 10
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minutes.
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So there were a bunch of other dual-strap bands that came out,
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including Apple's own that did a better job and distributed the weight better,
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but they were also pretty ugly.
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Not that it mattered to most people, but it mattered to Apple.
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So they spent presumably the last two years developing this band,
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which distributes the weight much better across the back and top of your head.
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And then this dial right here,
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you twist to tighten the back
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and then pop out
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and twist to tighten the top.
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And it is significantly more comfortable.
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The back fabric piece is a bit smaller than it was in the Solo
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Knit Band 'cause it doesn't have to be
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as big.
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But it also now has tungsten--literal metal-- in the back to help counterbalance the
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weight on your face.
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And you can feel it.
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Like, the original band has all these empty slots.
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You can feel the metal filling in the fabric ones on the new one,
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and that's the reason for the higher weight number.
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Either way, now it's both much more comfortable and still good looking.
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And you can also just buy it for the old Vision Pro for $99.
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So I've been using this new M5 Vision Pro for the past couple days
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to see if I can actually see
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and feel the difference
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that this new chip makes
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because yes,
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every Vision Pro has all the new software features of visionOS 26: the new,
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more realistic Personas, the Pinnable Widgets,
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being able to turn regular photos into spatial scenes, all this cool stuff.
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So the M5 chip brings a few other incremental improvements here.
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Basically, it can load apps faster; it can render more pixels;
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and it's more efficient, so it has longer battery life.
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Now, the loading apps faster, it's nice, you know,
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especially since you're stuck in this headset
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and you can't exactly like reach for your phone
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or burn time to check notifications
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while things are loading.
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So you kind of just have to sit there
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and wait for it to load.
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So it's welcome that things are loading faster,
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but it's not exactly a game changer.
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And then same with things like creating spatial scenes out of still photos.
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If that's something you do a lot, it's not instant,
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but it is much faster on this new one.
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The 10% more rendered pixels, you really aren't gonna notice that,
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even if you do back-to-back the M2 and M5 versions,
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like maybe a handful of people on planet Earth ever will.
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But yeah, it's, you know, the passthrough cameras are still the same cameras,
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so it still looks the same.
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The displays on the inside are still the same displays,
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so it still looks the same.
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The slightly faster max refresh rate of 120 hertz versus 100, it's appreciated.
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But again, it's not major.
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It's like these aren't huge changes.
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These are just a bunch of smaller incremental updates
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that over a longer time will start to add up on each other.
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Same thing with the 20% longer battery life.
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So yeah, a new band and a spec bump, otherwise same form factor,
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same materials, same cameras, same displays, same heavy weight,
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and same $3,500 price tag.
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"So why is this interesting," you might be asking?
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I'm glad you asked.
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Two reasons: the competition and the strange lack of competition.
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See Samsung.
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Samsung has just come along
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and finally years later actually dropped their full mixed-reality headset running Android XR.
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You might remember my preview video of it a couple months ago,
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showing all this stuff they're promising it can do with lots of equivalent features
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to the Vision Pro.
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You know, in my video, it's still a prototype,
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they're calling it "Project Moohan,"
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but now they're bringing it out to real people
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and putting it on sale alongside the Vision Pro this year.
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But outside of that,
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there is a noticeable lack of other companies trying to make their own Vision
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Pro and make a super-competitive,
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super-highly-priced, premium VR/XR headset.
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And I think that goes alongside all of this crazy development we've seen in
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the smart-glasses space.
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Like just last month, I dropped my video on these.
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These are the Meta Ray-Ban displays,
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and they're not the only ones in the space,
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but they are one example of how much dramatically faster the progress has been
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on these than the headsets.
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Like, this makes it look like the Vision Pro is sitting still.
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And I think in a lot of ways,
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these are much more appealing to way more people.
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Vision Pro is, of course, a first-gen product,
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which means that we
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and Apple didn't really exactly know how people would use this thing.
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And it comes out,
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and a lot of people are willing to spend the $3,500 on it.
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But then two years later,
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it turns out most of the use of Vision Pro has been watching movies
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and gathering dust,
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which is a shame because it's capable of so, so, so much more.
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But it turns out people like the smart glasses,
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which only do a subset of what the headsets can do
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because they carry a much lesser social penalty
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while wearing them in public.
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And you know, you still get a first-person camera,
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you can listen to music, you can ask questions, get directions, et cetera.
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And yes, they are still nerdy, but not as nerdy as this.
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So to answer the question in the title, I think Apple has now,
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you know, seen all of this
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and they've gotten the sales numbers
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and the usage stats
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and all that.
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And I think they've realized that, you know,
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this isn't gonna be some gigantic smash hit,
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and they've kind of trimmed it back
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and dedicated a little bit less to it,
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not given up obviously.
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And there's still plenty that Apple's doing with, you know,
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"Liquid Glass" and the spatial videos and stuff like that.
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But I think they know now, "Okay, this isn't some huge smash hit,
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maybe allocate resources towards some other stuff."
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There's even been some other reporting
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that they've scrapped plans for a future lightweight version of the Vision Pro
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that was going to come up after this,
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like the "Vision Pro Air."
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And they're shifting those resources to try to develop smart glasses to jump on
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that train.
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And that's actually perfectly in line with this video I made in October 2023
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trying to figure out how we get to this mixed-reality dream.
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So in case you haven't watched that video, spoiler or TL;DR:
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Tech companies are trying to achieve this awesome face-computer vision of the future for
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everyday use from two different directions:
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by building these incredible headsets
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and then trimming them down
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or by building these smart glasses
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and building them up.
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And it turns out maybe, just maybe,
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one of those directions has way more traction now than the other,
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at least for the everyday computer part.
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Turns out there's way less people who wanna spend significant time in a face-computer,
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even if it's really impressive,
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even if those pixels with the passthrough mode represent the world around you
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while they're on.
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There's just nothing quite like having actual reality through some glass with some stuff
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overlaid on top.
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But again, only time will tell.
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We'll see.
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Thanks for watching.
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Catch you guys the next one.
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Peace. (upbeat music) ♪ Hopefully will come ♪
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