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Why some people get referred (and others don't) | Stephen Oommen | TEDxUNYP
Why some people get referred (and others don't) | Stephen Oommen | TEDxUNYP
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Life is full of fascinating contradictions.
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But those contradictions create phenomenal conversations.
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And those conversations create opportunities.
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One of my favorite conversations to have is with executives, entrepreneurs,
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and sales leaders because every single one of them is trying to grow revenue,
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but they're under so much pressure to utilize technology and AI to create efficiency.
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Do more with less.
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When I ask about their sales strategy, I hear the same answers.
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More activity, more cold calls, more emails, more, more, more, scale, scale, scale,
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just do more.
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Then they try to convince me that it's just a numbers game.
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So, I ask a very simple question.
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When was the last time you answered a cold call,
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responded to an email from someone you did not know, gave them a meeting,
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and bought something of substantial value?
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Oh, don't worry.
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I'll wait.
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So, when I ask why,
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the answer always boils down to a lack of trust.
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Stephen, we don't know these people.
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So, how can we like them, let alone trust them?
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And in today's world, how do we even know that they're real?
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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Hold up.
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You're telling me that your strategy is to do more of the very thing
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you don't respond to?
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Okay, that makes a lot of sense.
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Let me be very clear.
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I am not against technology, technological advancement, or AI.
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But, too many times we get
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so enamored with progress
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that we forget the fundamentals
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that are foundational to human existence.
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It's not an either/or proposition.
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It's a yes and.
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And this trust gap has created a very tactical issue, a gap in access.
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Access to decision-makers, access to influencers, access to people that sign the check.
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And the primary solution that is being taught is very simple.
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Target better, increase volume, be more persistent, annoying.
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Sorry about that.
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Now, here's the thing.
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It's not as important for what is being taught
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as it is what's not being taught.
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Several years ago, I asked a sales representative in my organization,
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"Why do you do
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so much cold outreach instead of focusing on building your network of trusted connections
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so you can generate warm referrals?"
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The answer that I received was the most brilliant, logical,
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stupid answer I have ever heard.
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Stephen, "If I focus on generating warm referrals,
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that adds an extra step to the process, it creates complexity,
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and it takes more time.
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But, if I just go directly after the individual,
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there's at least a chance they'll respond."
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Highly logical.
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But, if you are not taught the value of a human relationship in business,
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then that thinking makes sense.
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It's purely mathematical because you focus on a tiny step in the process instead
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of the totality of how human life actually works.
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Every single one of us have heard the saying,
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"Life is not about what you know, it's about who you know,
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and more importantly, who knows you, and what they know you for."
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So, what this rep said to me after changed the trajectory of my life.
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"Stephen, no one is teaching us how to build a network properly
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and create a warm referral engine."
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This rep was right.
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We teach people how to scale systems.
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We tell people to have relationships based on trust,
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but we don't actually show them how to be trustworthy, to be trustworthy,
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to be referable.
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Last year I spoke to a board member at one of the top colleges
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in the United States,
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and he said something very alarming.
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He said, "Most of our students do not know how to build a relationship
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from scratch.
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Social skills are declining."
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He said, "We expect them to go out and build relationships and bring value,
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whatever that means, but we're not actually showing them how.
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Etiquette, for example, is a set of learned behaviors and skills.
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It needs to be practiced, and it needs to be reinforced.
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And now we're living at a time where the number one use of AI
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has moved from content creation to companionship.
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We're going through a loneliness epidemic.
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We're living in a world that is optimizing for efficiency while sacrificing effectiveness.
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And it's the reason why the number one objection that I receive is, Stephen,
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we don't have your network, we don't have your relationships.
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How do we build that?
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And while this is an understandable question,
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I have found it's actually the wrong one.
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Because it is a what
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and a how question
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and the real question is who.
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Who are we being?
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Everybody wants the secret sauce or that special tactic,
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but what I have found is that the secret is this.
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Principles scale, tactics don't.
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Principles scale, tactics don't.
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Have you ever seen how two people can say the same thing
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and get widely different results?
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One person can make the audience laugh, the other person makes them cringe.
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They can have the same message, same tactic, same talk track,
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get very different results.
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Some people might say, "Who cares?"
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I say, "Who matters?"
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Over my career, I've had the privilege of being in a lot of organizations
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that relied heavily on partner networks.
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And I would ask my teams, "Why would someone introduce you to their customer?"
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The typical responses are around, "Our product is great, our service is amazing,
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we have a great company reputation."
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And I would have to stop them and say, "No, no, no.
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That's not what I asked.
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I asked, "Why would they refer you?"
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Silence.
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Because it's not a question we typically ask ourselves.
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So, over the last 25 years, I have noticed a pattern.
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Through being an entrepreneur and a go-to-market leader,
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I have seen that there are qualities
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that show up consistently based on the people
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that are consistently referred.
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Not tactics, not script, qualities that create their reputation.
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And your reputation walks into the room before you do.
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Character, conviction, clarity, competence and credibility.
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These five qualities make us referable.
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Character is the foundation.
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Now, if I have to explain to anyone what being of good character means,
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we likely already have a problem.
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But there's a deeper issue here.
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It is our values, our beliefs, our core why.
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When we ask someone to refer us,
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we're asking them to vouch for our character.
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This is why asking for referrals and introductions seems hard.
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It's scary asking someone to put their name on the line for us.
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But it's also the reason why it works so well.
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It holds us to a higher level of accountability.
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Conviction flows from character.
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Recently, I was speaking in front of a group of sales people,
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and I did say something that was rather uncomfortable.
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I said, "If you are not willing to sell your products
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and services to your parents,
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your children, your loved ones, then you probably should not sell it at all."
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That level of conviction is rare, but it's essential.
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Many of us have heard the famous story about the trial attorney
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that was representing the accused murderer,
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but they never found the victim.
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This attorney was still losing the trial, and the night before the closing arguments,
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he comes up with this brilliant strategy.
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He walks in the next day, and he says,
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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
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last night we found the victim
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and in 3 seconds he's going to walk through
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that back door and you will see once
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and for all that my client is not guilty."
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The entire jury, their eyes are staring at
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that back door as 3 2 1 the doors did not open. 15 seconds,
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30 seconds the doors did not open,
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but finally after 60 seconds with their eyes glued to that back door,
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the doors still did not open.
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The attorney looks at the jury and says,
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"The judge told you that if there was even an iota of doubt,
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you cannot convict my client guilty
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and by the looks in your eyes
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and the stares at
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that back door,
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you had doubt."
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The jury very quickly just went and deliberated,
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came back and gave the verdict guilty.
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The attorney was absolutely livid and said, "How could you convict my client guilty?
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I watched your eyes, you were staring at that back door.
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How could you convict my client?"
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And the lead juror looks at the attorney and says, "Yes,
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we were all looking at that back door,
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but we also noticed that you and your client were not."
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If you don't believe your own story why should we?
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Conviction.
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Clarity is your ability to make that complex simple,
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to explain clearly the problems that you solve.
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One of my closest friends asked me quite often,
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"Can you explain what you do to my grandma?"
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What about to a five-year-old?
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Most people what they try to do is they try to look smart
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and they sound like an encyclopedia.
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Don't look at the person next to you if that's the person.
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Don't point anyone out.
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But here's the thing, a confused mind does not buy.
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Anyone ever play the telephone game
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when we were kids where you would whisper into the first person's ear,
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you'd go in a circle, everyone would whisper, whisper, whisper, whisper, come back,
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and the message that came back is hilariously different than the one
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that it started with.
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But that's not as funny in real life.
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There is power in communication, but that communication has to have clarity.
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Competence is our ability and our knowledge, experience, and wisdom to understand an industry,
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our prospects, our clients, their world, their company, our own products and craft.
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So, quick moment of vulnerability.
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One of the most embarrassing things I have done in my career was early
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on when I was trying to get a meeting with an executive,
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I said to her, I go, "Hey, if at the end of this meeting,
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if you don't feel value, we can walk away as friends."
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Her response, "I don't need any more friends."
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Yeah, listen, I already said it was embarrassing, you don't have to judge me,
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right?
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Now, here's the thing,
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what it made me realize is
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that I didn't show up with character cuz I didn't value her time.
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I didn't show up with conviction
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because I didn't show value
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or believe in the value.
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I didn't have clarity in my message,
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and I didn't have the competence to understand her world,
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which means I did not have credibility.
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Credibility is simple.
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Do we do what we say we're going to do?
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Do we have the results, and do we have the evidence?
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Character, conviction, clarity, competence, and credibility.
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These five C's build your reputation and your reputation is what makes you referable.
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But, about a month ago, a buddy of mine says to me, "Stephen,
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there are so many people that ask me for referrals,
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and I would not refer most of them
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because I would be embarrassed to put them in front of my contacts.
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And it's why he doesn't believe that the referral strategy works very often."
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He said, "Most of them don't even know
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and are completely unaware
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that they are not referable."
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So, how do you test your referability?
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Here's a very simple habit that will not only expand your network,
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but help you test your referability.
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Next time you're in a conversation, or anytime before you end a conversation,
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ask this question.
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Who is the most influential person that knows you well whom you highly respect?
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When I ask this in group uh group dynamics in organizations to prove the
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power of this,
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it is amazing to see the names that come up.
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NFL owners, CEOs, big-time industry leaders,
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but what's hilarious is watching everybody else's faces
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as they realize how close they have been the entire time to people of
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real influence.
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We never know who someone else knows.
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Networks are everywhere, even within our own organization,
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but too many times we ignore them instead of unlocking them.
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Now, here's the reason this question works so well with testing the five C's.
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When somebody tells you a name, simply ask,
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"Why do you respect that person so well?"
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And if the reason resonates, simply respond,
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"I would love to learn from that person, too.
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And I'd like to bring some value.
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Would you mind introducing me?"
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You will not always get a yes, and that's okay.
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Because a referral is not a transaction.
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It is an earned transfer of trust.
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But if they say yes,
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you now know your reputation is strong enough to travel.
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And if they say no, you gain insight.
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I encourage you to invite a conversation of vulnerability
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and learn which of the five C's you might be lacking in.
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I live by a very simple statement.
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If you want to have an amazing life, surround yourself with amazing people.
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So, I invite you, and I challenge you to make one commitment today.
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In your very next conversation, ask for a referral.
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Ask for an introduction.
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It takes intention.
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It takes a plan.
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But you never know what opportunity lies on the other side of that conversation.
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So, just ask.
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Thank you, everyone.
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