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How Shōgun Makes Translation Exciting
How Shōgun Makes Translation Exciting
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when
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NBC
adapted
James
clavell's
best-selling
novel
Shogun
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miniseries
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when Paramount and NBC adapted James clavell's best-selling novel Shogun into a TV miniseries
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in 1980 the writer Eric berkovichi reframed The Source material in a significant way
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and I told James cell my idea
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which was to take his story turn it inside out
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and tell the whole tale of Shogun from blackthorn's point of view where we
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understand what he understands where we see what he sees
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and whenever he is confused we are equally confused to accomplish this the show
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ch CH not to subtitle Japanese dialogue
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so American audiences would be
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as lost as protagonist John Blackthorne a ship pilot who's based on the first
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Englishman to reach Japan in the year 1600 for this version of the story
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The subtitle choice is dramatically effective we are fully anchored in blackthorne's perspective learning
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as he learns feeling
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as he feels want to go in there of course what you lose by
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this framing is the interiority of all the characters who speak only Japanese
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and for an epic set in Japan about an important period in Japanese history
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the loss is a big one clell's novel definitely has
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that Stranger in a Strange Land element Blackthorne is still the protagonist after all
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but it also lets us into the minds
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and conversations of the Japanese characters
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which is what fx's Stellar 2024 remake of the Shogun miniseries does
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as well instead of just one focal character Shogun 2024 has multiple most of
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which are Japanese and all their dialogue is subtitled this Choice does make the
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viewer less confused than Blackthorne
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but it doesn't downplay the sense of East Meets West culture shock it just
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balances it what's made this new series
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so compelling to me is how it uses the Act of translation to explore
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the possibilities and limitations of communication across cultures
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and communication period how do I say I understand in your language
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when Blackthorne arrives in Japan his first translator is a Japanese Catholic who knows
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very little Portuguese which is spoken
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as English on this show
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and it's significant here at the beginning
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that Blackthorne asks how to say I understand Shogun is very interesting
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as we'll see in the difference
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or the gap between simple translation
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and understanding his second translator is a Portuguese Catholic priest who speaks broken Japanese
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once he finds out
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that Blackthorne is an English Protestant he refuses to translate honestly instead of communicating
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black Thorn's words the priest communicates the meaning of black Thorn's presence to him
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unable to speak for himself Blackthorne closes the language with a gesture not be
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spoken for by Catholics blackthorn's first proper translator is another Catholic priest who honestly
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relays his words to Lord taga in order to ensure this honesty taga invites
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another translator lady Maro who also knows Japanese
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and Portuguese the show communicates the faithfulness of this translation to us by gradually
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removing the translators until taga seems to be directly speaking to Blackthorne
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and here's the advantage to using subtitles Shogun 2024 is able to show a
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true meaning of the minds between two focal characters who speak different languages my
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Lord would like to say
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that he is sorry for the time you spent in prison later in the
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same episode lady Maro becomes blackthorne's primary translator I'm grateful to be alive
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and what's interesting is how she suly Alters the conversation I hope your time
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in prison wasn't too difficult doesn't necessarily suggest an apology
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and I'm grateful to be alive doesn't necessarily suggest thanks Miko adds these sentiments
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quietly controlling the tone of the exchange till this milk dribbling me I'm ready
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to go this is a role Miko continues to play most dramatically in episode
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five during a dinner scene with her husband bonaro Blackthorn
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and blackthorn's consort Fuji Miko attempts to smooth out the aggression between the two
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men by changing their language my husband comments on the way you eat your
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noodles the sand you make
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while eating reveals the depth of your pleasure
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if you look at the 1980 version of the scene Miko still translates
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but we're blocked from bonaro
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and Fuji's words so we have to take her translation at face value in
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the 2024 version with subtitles we get a riveting scene of dramatic irony where
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the translation itself becomes significant a mediation between the interplay of four Minds in
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trying to avoid conflict Maro is faced with translating cultural values
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as well as language
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and that's not easy
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when Blackthorne ask buaro for War Stories he's communicating a positive English value for
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boasting that buaro considers vulgar
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and rude those three words carry far more meaning than their basic definitions
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and this isn't the episode's only mistranslation of three words
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when Blackthorne receives a pheasant from taga he hangs it outside his house to
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quote unquote mature and tells his household off the cuff eventually the Pheasant rots
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its stench disturbs the piece of the neighborhood
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and the kindly old Gardener finally takes it down at the cost of his
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life what have you done depending on the context the same work words can
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carry wildly different meanings you put
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that old man to death over stinking God cursed pheasant to translate the correct
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meaning requires a deep familiarity with the two languages
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and the cultures that created them go away you know I don't believe
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that true translation is impossible I don't believe communication between cultures is impossible
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and I don't think Shogun believes
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that either but translation means more than a relaying of words words
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and the show wants us to think about
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that after all Blackthorne isn't the only English speaker being translated to here
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so are we the English-speaking audience shogun's Japanese dialogue was actually written in English
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carefully translated into Japanese into period specific phrasing
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then carefully translated back into English to be consumed by us in the form
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of subtitles the show Runners spend a lot of time
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and resources on this clearly
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but I can't help
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but wonder about the
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that I'm missing the fact
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that I'm even thinking about
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that means the show is doing its job you know translation is usually something
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that creators of film
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and TV try to avoid at all costs it takes up a lot of
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precious time with unnecessary repetition shun 2024 has found a way to make translation
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a central theme of the show
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and the act of translation into gripping television this is not in our Lord's
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interest I'm sorry were you going to translate hey everybody thank you
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