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What Newton and Einstein agreed on that our society doesn’t | Sean Carroll
What Newton and Einstein agreed on that our society doesn’t | Sean Carroll
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One thing that is true even in Newtonian ways of thinking about space and time or
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in Einsteinian ways of thinking about space and time is that these fundamental laws work forward
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and backward in time. Knowing everything about the universe at one moment predicts the past
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as well as the future. That's because what we think of as the fundamental laws of physics do
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not have a directionality to time. They treat the past and future the same. But there's clearly a
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direction to time in the world. I remember what I was doing yesterday. I might guess what I'm going
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to do tomorrow, but I don't remember it in the same way. I have no photographs or memory books
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of the future. What is going on with that? And the answer is it's not the fundamental laws of
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physics. It's the collective behavior of many, many things in the universe that start out in a
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special state. I'm Sean Carroll. I am a physicist and philosopher at Johns Hopkins University,
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host of the Mindscape podcast, and also author of a bunch of books, most recently the biggest
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ideas in the universe series, including spacetime in motion and quant and fields.
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What is the nature of time? Isaac Newton, you may have heard, was a smart fellow. And one of the interesting things when you
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invent a whole new way of doing physics, if you're right and it becomes successful, then later on
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people kind of take it for granted. They're like, "Yeah, this is how the world works or whatever."
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But at the time, you're still very careful. And and Newton was himself super duper careful about
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all the assumptions that went into his theory and what their implications were and so on.
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One part of classical mechanics is the idea of space and time both separately existing and being
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absolute. There is a meaningfulness to that. There is no preferred position in the universe. You can
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be anywhere you want. The laws of physics work the same. There's not even a preferred velocity to the
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universe. This was figured out by Galileo and Newton kind of took it on board. If you started
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everything moving at 1 mile per hour to the left, the world will look exactly the same. There's no
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actual frame of rest that you can measure. But there is space and there is time and everyone
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agrees on what those two things mean. When I say I am one mile away from a certain other point,
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everyone in the universe agrees you are one mile away. Yes, that is correct. When I snap my fingers
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and say at the moment I snap my fingers a certain thing is happening in Los Angeles everyone agrees
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that indeed at that moment that's a well- definfined concept to say what is happening
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at some point far away not just Los Angeles but Alpha Centtory or the Andromeda galaxy. Turns out
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those assumptions are not quite right and it was a journey to get there as it often is. It started in
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the 1800s with the invention of electromagnetism. So there are all these new phenomena that people
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were thinking about since Ben Franklin flew his kite and studied lightning coming down. It
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was James Clark Maxwell who put the whole story together after work by people like Faraday and
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Aier and so forth. And what he realized is there's two fields pervading the universe, an electric
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field and a magnetic field. and he wrote down some equations that these fields obey and they sort of
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play with each other and push around charged particles and things like that. People were
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very happy at the existence of electromagnetism. They started thinking about what it all meant and
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what they realized is that the sort of way that space and time are treated in Maxwell's theory
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of electromagnetism is different than the way they are apparently treated in Newton's theory.
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In particular, Maxwell's equations predicted a special velocity. There's no special velocity in
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Newtonian mechanics. Every velocity is created the same. Maxwell says there is something called the
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speed of light. It is the speed at which waves in the electromagnetic fields move. And naively, you
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look at the equations and everyone measures the same value for the speed of light. It's a constant
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of nature. How can it possibly be the case that everyone measures the same speed for light even if
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they're moving with respect to each other? So for a long time, for decades, people physicists bashed
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their heads against this problem. They came with very elaborate schemes to get rid of it. And it
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was Einstein, Albert Einstein in his great paper in 1905 who first said you should get rid of the
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idea of these waves traveling through a medium. You should think of the electromagnetic waves as
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really being the thing that exists. And when the equations tell you everyone measures the speed
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of light the same, that's because they do. Take that seriously. All you have to do is entirely
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rejigger your thoughts about what space and time are. And in fact, it wasn't until two years later
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when Herman Mmanovsky, who was a mathematician who had been one of Einstein's professors, said,
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"You know, the right way to think about Einstein's theory is to say that space and time aren't
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separate anymore. To imagine there's one thing called spacetime, and different people, different
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observers moving in different ways through the universe will divide it up into space and time
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differently. There's no objective true fact about when I snap my fingers now what's happening light
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years away. That's going to depend on who's doing the observing and who is doing the measuring. It
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can all be explained very beautifully by imagining a single four-dimensional spaceime instead of
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separate space and time. Einstein himself was not impressed by this move. Einstein was a hilarious
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character because he was a physicist's physicist. He was very mathematically adept. You know, don't
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believe the stories that Einstein wasn't good at math in school. He was very good at it, but
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he wasn't in it for the math. He was in it for the physics. So, he learned as much math as he needed.
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And when Benovsky says, "I have some new math that unifies space and time based on Einstein's
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theories," Einstein himself is like, "I don't need that. That's like extra mathematical nonsense."
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He soon changed his mind because it turns out that that move from space and time being separate to
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being combined is super useful going forward, including 10 years later, he would invent his
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general theory of relativity that include gravity into the space-time story. When Einstein put
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together what we now call the special theory of relativity, the idea that there's no preferred
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standard of rest in the universe, but also everyone thinks the speed of light is the same.
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All you have to do is imagine ultimately that space and time are glued together. That was a
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radical reworking of the framework of physics. You know, Newton's idea of separate space and separate
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time absolute and agreed upon by everyone had been there for hundreds of years. And when you do that,
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when you say, okay, I'm going to completely invent space and time in part because I want
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to match this wonderful theory. We have Maxwell's theory of electricity and magnetism. You have to
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go back to everything that was a success in your previous way of doing things and say does it still
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work? The biggest success of Newtonian classical mechanics was gravity. The famous inverse square
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law of gravity. Newton posited that if you have two objects with two different masses,
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they have a gravitational force that will pull them together that diminishes as one over the
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square of the distance between them. And that simple rule plus the framework of Newtonian
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mechanics is enough to match exactly what you see in the sky in terms of the planets moving around.
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It's enough to launch a rocket and get it to the moon. So Einstein comes along and says, "Well,
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okay, can I make a version of Newton's theory of gravity that is compatible with my new theory of
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special relativity?" And after trying, he said, "No, I can't. You have to do something much more
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dramatic." And what he realized is that gravity is a special force of nature. You know, Maxwell talks
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about electricity and magnetism. If I want to know what the electric field is at one point in space,
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it's very easy to do. I put a positively charged particle, a negatively charged particle,
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they get pushed in opposite directions by the electric field. But Einstein realized that
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every particle reacts the same way to gravity. If I have a very heavy particle and a very light
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particle and I drop them, Galileo showed that they drop at exactly the same rate. They're not pushed
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around in a different way. So because of that, gravity seems to disappear if you only look at it
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in a tiny region of the universe. If you were in a sealed box and you were dropping things and going,
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"Oh, I have gravity here." You don't know that for sure. Maybe you're in a rocket ship and the rocket
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is accelerating and you're being tricked into thinking you have gravity. So Einstein, because
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he's Einstein, he's very smart. You know, you or I would go, "Huh, that's interesting." But he says,
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"I think what that means is that gravity is not a force on top of spacetime. It's a feature of
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spacetime itself." What feature could it be? Well, my ex-professor Minkovsky says that spacetime has
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a geometry. It's one combined thing, and there are equations telling me how particles move in it.
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Maybe that geometry is curved. Maybe it's not like a flat tabletop like uklitian geometry. Maybe it's
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warped and bent and dynamical and changes in response to the existence of mass and energy
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and things like that. It's a it's a good idea to have. It takes you a lot of effort and a lot of
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mathematical work to figure it out. So 10 years later in 1915, Einstein finally completes what
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we call the general theory of relativity. In the general theory of relativity says spaceacetime
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is a four-dimensional thing. That four-dimensional thing has a geometry. It's pushed around by matter
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and energy. And we experience the curvature of spacetime as the force of gravity. When Einstein
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and Minkovsky figured out that space and time are both two different ways of slicing up spaceime,
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what does that mean? What does that mean like in our guts, right? What does it visually
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or measurably imply? You know, in space there's something called the distance between two points.
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If you say, you know, I'm here in Washington DC and a friend of mine is in Los Angeles, there's
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a distance between those two cities and we all agree on what that distance is because implicitly
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we're imagining the shortest distance path, right? The straight line that connects these two points.
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But of course, if you actually travel between these two cities, you won't exactly necessarily
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take that much distance because you're going to go right and left. You're not going to go exactly
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on a straight line. So in space, we're all very very used to the idea that different paths have
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different lengths, even if they start and end at the same point. In special relativity, now that
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space and time are unified, what that means is that time is like that. The time you personally
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measure on your wristwatch is very analogous to the distance that you travel moving on some
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path. What that means is that rather than being a universal thing that everyone agrees on, time
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depends on the trajectory you take through the universe. The most famous example of this is the
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twin paradox. You imagine two twins. They don't have to be twins, but it's more vivid if they are
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because you think of twins as being the same age. Okay? One twin just doesn't move, just stays home.
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This is the lazy twin. And they get older like the rest of us all do. The other twin hops in a
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rocket ship that moves out very close to the speed of light. You need to move close to the speed of
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light to feel the effects of relativity and then comes back. And so they left at the same time.
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They were the same age. They come back to the same point in space and the same point in time. But the
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twin who traveled is now younger. The twin who traveled has experienced less time than the twin
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who stayed home. And the reason why is because they took different paths through spaceime.
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Space and time are similar to each other but not exactly the same. That's why in space the shortest
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distance path is a straight line. But in time the longest time path is the straight line. The twin
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who stays stationary and doesn't move, that's moving in a straight line through spacetime,
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that's the one that feels more time pass before the other twin comes back. When people hear
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this stuff about relativity and moving through space and things, what they want to say is, "Oh,
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so you're saying that time moves more slowly when you're traveling near the speed of light?" No,
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I do not want to say that. I very much do not want to say that. What is the rate at which time moves?
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It is 1 second per second. You're being tricked by your use of the English language because you
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move through space and it makes perfect sense to say I am moving at 1 meter/s or 2 meters/s
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or whatever. The rate at which you move is the number of distance you travel per unit time. But
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the amount of time you travel per unit time is always one. Now that accumulated time along two
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different trajectories can be different. That's the origin of something like the twin paradox. Or
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when gravity comes into the game, the amount of total time you experience will be less if you're
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deep in a gravitational field than if you're out there in interstellar space where gravity is not
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that important. So in general relativity, being in a strong gravitational field is much like
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moving out there close to the speed of light. If you had someone stay back here on Earth,
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someone else go near a black hole, for example. A black hole is the strongest kind of gravitational
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field you can have. Don't go in to the black hole because then you can't come back out. But
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if you go near it and then you come back, you will be younger than the person who just stayed
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behind. You will have experienced less time. Your wristwatch is still clicking at one second
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per second, but the accumulated amount of time is different because you have taken a different path
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through curved spacetime. In Interstellar, the Christopher Nolan movie, this was wonderfully
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illustrated. Kip Thorne, who is a Nobel Prize winning physicist, was the executive producer
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and one of the instigators of that movie, and he put all of his physics knowledge in there about
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wormholes and black holes and gravity and time travel. So up until the very last scenes when
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they're in the library and everything goes haywire, all the physics in that movie is
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completely respectable. One thing that is true even in Newtonian ways of thinking about space
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and time or in Einsteinian ways of thinking about space and time is that these fundamental laws work
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forward and backward in time. Knowing everything about the universe at one moment predicts the past
15:11
as well as the future. That's because what we think of as the fundamental laws of physics do
15:18
not have a directionality to time. They treat the past and future the same. But there's clearly a
15:25
direction to time in the world. I remember what I was doing yesterday. I might guess what I'm going
15:31
to do tomorrow, but I don't remember it in the same way. I have no photographs or memory books
15:36
of the future. I was younger. I will always be older in the future. What is going on with that?
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And the answer is it's not the fundamental laws of physics. It's the collective behavior of many
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many things in the universe that start out in a special state. It goes back to the idea of entropy
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from the 1800s. The idea of the disorderliness of a system, the randomness, the disorganization. And
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entropy increases with time. That's the famous second law of thermodynamics. Why does entropy
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increase with time? Because there are more ways for a system to be arranged in a high
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entropy configuration than a low entropy one by definition. And the universe started in a very
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special low entropy state. Nobody knows why that is true. This is a mystery to cosmology. But the
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entropy of the universe was very very low to start and it's been increasing ever since. and us having
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memories of the past but not the future. The ability to have records, the fact that we age in
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the same direction. This is all because entropy is increasing in one direction rather than the other.
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